the time to take serious action to stop obama care is now join us in urging senators don't fund obama care. remember, if you fund it, you own it. julian, your vote. which of these two surrogates is going to win the hearts and minds of the american people? >> let's see. on the one hand you have president obama and president clinton, the two the greatest communicate kers of the 20th century. on the other hand, you have ted cruz and sarah palin. it's like the dream team versus the preschoolers. look, there's been some rhyme or reason to what the republicans have been trying to do to defund obama care. they're trying to win an argument. and to some expent in the last couple years, they've been successful because the numbers haven't been great on obama care. the numbers are change packagen now the majority of the public doesn't understand what's in obama care. it's a jump ball at this point. a very strong majority doesn't want the congress to defund obama care. the critical point, of course, is in october when the law goes into effect and particularly the exchanges. this is the last hurrah